In 2023, General Cherry started making 10 drones a month. Today they're approaching 100,000. Marko Kushnir, communications director of one of Ukraine's top-five drone manufacturers, joins Craig Smith for one of the most operationally specific conversations available about what drone warfare looks like at industrial scale, from the daily feedback loops with front-line units that drive product iteration, to the $2,000 interceptor drone that can destroy a $100,000 Shahed, to the on-device AI targeting model that guides an interceptor to impact at 70% accuracy after the operator activates it and steps back.
The conversation's most important insights are structural rather than technical. Marko describes the fundamental asymmetry of the conflict with unusual precision: Ukraine's decentralized, startup-driven ecosystem produces new technologies faster than Russia's command economy, but Russia's vertical industrial structure copies and scales those technologies faster than Ukraine can stay ahead. He also expresses genuine alarm about fully autonomous AI drones, not from an ethical standpoint but from a practical one: any autonomous capability Ukraine deploys will be in Russian hands within weeks, making full autonomy a danger Ukraine would share immediately with its enemy.
The episode closes with his most far-reaching argument: just as the internet era created a cybersecurity industry that every organization eventually had to build, the drone era is now beginning, and every government, police force, and major corporation will soon need a drone security department to function safely in a world where drones are as common as smartphones.
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