Jo Wright & Louisa Fryer: Alcohol, wellbeing & performance

[00:00:00] Hi, I'm Jo Wright and this is the Coaching Culture podcast where we discuss how to make work better. Hello, and welcome to today's Coaching Culture podcast, and today I'm joined with the wonderful Louise of Fryer, who

[00:00:25] who came into my world and the world of Coaching Culture a number of years ago. In fact, I think we did our first ever presentation to you, Louise, when we were first developing our solutions to get your feedback.

[00:00:38] And ever since then, you've kept a close eye on our journey as we have yours. And now you're here with us today to join us as an L&D professional but absolutely head of everything which is head of leadership, talent and culture at Restore PLC.

[00:00:53] So welcome to today's podcast. Thank you, it's brilliant to be here. And I know we've got so much to talk about, but before we dive into what we're going to talk about in today's topic,

[00:01:05] tell us a little bit more about yourself and your story. And I suppose how you've come to be here today on our Coaching Culture podcast.

[00:01:13] Yeah, so currently head of everything at Restore PLC. I always say that head of everything because I've got like three kind of various, and a half day.

[00:01:23] I look after leadership development, talent and culture. I have a small team and we're doing some really great work at the moment at Restore, having a great time. Bringing in coaching culture, it's a name of you.

[00:01:36] Brilliant things that we're doing to support our people leaders and help with both the organisation. So I'm really excited to work. I live by the sea down in Ho, which I love. Yeah, and I've been there for a few years now.

[00:01:50] I really begin to my wellbeing actually, and that's been triggered probably about a couple of years ago when I stopped drinking, which was my final attempt at stopping. I've had a couple of attempts before then, but ever since stopping, I've become more and more interested in wellbeing.

[00:02:09] And quite curious about the movement right now of so-bechuriousity in the world society. I really think it's exciting that we've got like Guinness Zero sponsoring in rugby, but zero sponsoring in the World Cup.

[00:02:26] And adverse, you know, the Gordon's gin is advertising next to its alcohol and non-alcohol options. I'm really excited by that, and I think what's sparking that is people are starting to question their relationship with alcohol.

[00:02:41] And like I did, and just, I think it's an interesting time. I think it's a really interesting time. So I'm quite passionate about that topic and wellbeing and keen to do some work around wellbeing in our polo awareness at Restore,

[00:02:57] and potentially other organisations as well coming up from the future. Tell me a little bit about your role at Restore then, and then obviously how you can feed your wellbeing agenda into that. Tell me a little bit about what you do at Restore currently.

[00:03:13] So we've been really busy recently, rolling out a leading at Restore people need a programme. So that's going out to 500 of our people need us. And it really centers around change, going through change, you know, there's three change,

[00:03:30] we're going through vast amounts of change, we're transformation programme here. And it also looks at feedback, how to give effective feedback in both of these feedback and praise, which I'm a must-in-one of. And also looking at coaching, so looking at basic coaching skills, leveraging coaching culture,

[00:03:50] but also we do some stuff in person with coaching. So, and therefore you're, I mean, you've got a huge role and task and all the things that you do. And I know you have passion at your iron, and obviously as long as we've known,

[00:04:07] these are the topics you've been passionate about, you know, in terms of leadership, culture, talent, developments. How can you get your best at your people? We know that that's what really matters to yourself.

[00:04:17] And as both, that leads on to the aspect of the main topic of discussion today, which is your interest in wellbeing, which you've already touched on. But tell us more about that. Tell us about your absolute purpose and passion. What are the things that you'd want to share?

[00:04:32] Yeah. Well, I think it touches on two things. It touches on who I am, you know, in life and outside of work. And then how that comes into the workplace. I am really passionate about the wellbeing piece. And I think out of work, I feel like my purpose.

[00:04:51] And I've done some work for my purpose statement. I think my purpose has always been around inspiring connection to the truth. So, to the truth, the topics, the truth of what's important, what's going on. Yeah. And that's shown up in some of the things I've studied.

[00:05:07] I've studied clinical hipacellipy. So working with the unconscious mind, for example. Wow, brilliant. You can run that and then with what is real. And what actually. We are, we are subjected to a lot of suggestion, you know, marketing people know this.

[00:05:23] So why not work with it in a clinical health helpful way. And then the topic of alcohol. For example, sleep. I'm fascinated by sleep. My sleep score and my fit there is the first thing I'm interested in when I wake up every day. Yeah. I need to.

[00:05:40] I like a lot of this week. I've had a few seven teas and not happy about that. Yeah. And so, so I'm interested in those things outside of work. But what's interesting about bringing it into work is the impact on performance. So my own journey of stopping drinking.

[00:05:55] I've really noticed the clarity of mind that I have. How much easier it is to make decisions. Better judgment, better EI. Everything's just better. And I think it's interesting to to pair what's going on in society with workplace well-being.

[00:06:13] And bring a little bit of this into work in a helpful way. And not be like the alcohol police. You know, policy. It's not about that. It's about people tuning into who they are and if they really need it.

[00:06:26] And it's more of a person development thing I think. So I'm interested in it in the workplace. I'm interested in how can I bring what I've learned. Two people at work who are interested in curious to benefit themselves.

[00:06:42] And to be, you know, I know I've inspired so many people around me to stop drinking or to change their relationship with alcohol. And so to bring that experience, I think, to more people I think would be a really empowering thing to do for others.

[00:06:59] I know that nobody's with great stopping drinking. They only benefit in so many different ways. Nobody with great stopping. And so to help people on the journey with that, I think would be great. Particularly in the host of living crisis and how expensive it is.

[00:07:17] I know that in the last two years I haven't drank. I've not spent about seven grand just over seven grand. I haven't spent on alcohol. Wow. And that sounds, yeah, that's a really nice holiday or two whatever else or a coaching qualification. But absolutely I totally get it.

[00:07:36] I totally get there, say understand what you're saying and, you know, it really is to understand kind of what you've experienced, what have you been your biggest learnings? Like how are people related to you, and how do you feel, you know, and how do you feel?

[00:07:57] It's not always an easy journey giving up alcohol. It's which is a shame to be honest, which is a shame, but it's obviously the neural pathways, the habits that have been formed in drinking, it's habitual.

[00:08:10] What are the learnings that you've had that you would love to share with others? I think it's really important to educate yourself on the topic. In your mind, having a conversation with yourself about drinking, then it might be a sign to consider exploring the journey,

[00:08:28] exploring your relationship with it. I know for me it was quite a personal experience when I first stopped and then I started again and then I stopped again. And I think that you have to remember when you do something different to others,

[00:08:45] it's half the time I think it just triggers them, it makes them address and connect with their relationship without alcohol. Yes, but I know. And so you have to do it for yourself. I think educating yourself is one of the most important things

[00:09:01] because I think once you learn the facts about it, you can't unlearn the facts. So I follow, I've got connected through the few communities on Facebook, on Instagram, so you kind of get information feeds through that.

[00:09:17] The best book I found that was really helpful for me was the alcohol explained book by William Porter. I think that's a really, really good book, very short punchy chapters and it explores and breaks down all the things that you say to yourself that justifies your drinking.

[00:09:34] It's on its head, but like the Alan Harbukh is smoking. It just takes the mystery away and it puts it back to you. And in the sort of looking at your biology, your brain, your body, and it just helps you understand how this works, how this drug works.

[00:09:51] And is that isn't it is a drug? And it's a legalised drug that we also use hugely acceptable in sight because that's what we've been told. By that, actually, you know, it causes also a whole heap of problems for so many people in and out of the workplace.

[00:10:07] Completely completely. I think I read recently that, and I listened to Huberman so he does some really good podcasts as well, making kind of the latest in research, making it easy to understand. And so he was talking on his alcohol podcast that,

[00:10:24] now what they know is that even if you drink just one loss of wine a day or you have a little binge at the weekend, you increase your cortisol levels. So therefore, your stress level is more increased.

[00:10:40] Even if you're not drinking, even if you're not drinking it just not just as it up and takes it to a high level. Well, I put this out through it. Is it worth it? That's what I just,

[00:10:50] I'm fascinated. I find it fascinating now that I've learned so much about this. I really want to help people see it for what it is. So I remember obviously like a bit like you've stopped and stayed stopped.

[00:11:05] I've stopped for a long time and started and then stopped again and then I was a bit of a start and then stopped again. I used to help myself by saying, you know, somebody said, you are a glass of wine. I'd say, do you mean ethanol?

[00:11:22] And it's usually just an ethanol. But I was telling myself that and then it's like, that doesn't sound quite as appealing. Does it now or all of a sort of no, it really doesn't. So I used to, particularly to my husband, I've been like,

[00:11:34] I don't know. I don't really glass of ethanol or something else and it would be like you could see him cringing his ears out in a beer. But it was like the stories that you tell yourself that the culture

[00:11:45] of society, because we have some talk about culture in the workplace but it's a society that they see. It's a society that's absolutely... Yeah, so literally then it comes a crotch, you know, societal crotch and then the opposite of that.

[00:11:58] So it is a fabulous topic. It's really fascinating. And there are more and more people and organizations who are recognizing that and to be able to see better choice on hospitality, restaurant menus, because you still want to go out and have fun

[00:12:15] but you don't want to look at the menu and go, oh, I've just got that one option at the bottom or whatever. Actually, to see more and more, it's great options that I went out with a friend and we had a bottle of...

[00:12:30] It was our call free champagne. We had the whole experience, it was in an ice bucket next to us. We had the champagne glasses with straw busy. The whole thing, it was wonderful. We had a great time, great conversation,

[00:12:45] drinking like this and then we both got up and drove off and you could imagine people thinking, oh, we were driving, because we were sat there with a South Pole free champagne. It was wonderful. Absolutely wonderful. It was about the experience.

[00:12:58] Not what was in the, not how much effort all was in the bottle. And I really triggered something in her by doing that. So I totally, certainly to me, preaching to the converted but it's not always easy for, I don't know,

[00:13:14] not preaching, but just preaching to the car. How, how more and more people are getting very, very interested in giving or changing their relationship with us. Yeah, changing, I'm doing a sober coaching course with Jamie Lee Grace at the end of March. Jamie Lee deserves a BBC 2 presenter

[00:13:35] and she has also gone on a journey with alcohol. And now she runs, just training to help people coach others. That's really excited about that because with my hip, the therapy background, it's just going to be a nice way to help.

[00:13:51] Because I think it is a bit of a taboo topic, but becoming less so. And I'm just listening to her book at the moment and she's kind of calling out that she thinks between five and 10 years, it's going to be the thing, a bit like where,

[00:14:05] where smoking when, you know, it's just going to be that thing where people are going to be like, oh, it's not as in favour anymore. It's just, and I think the, I think that alcohol free movement is getting better. At wine is getting better.

[00:14:21] I was talking to somebody in an alcohol free bar in London and he thinks that by the end of the year there'll be far more alcohol free wines available. And then processing and making wine in exactly the same way

[00:14:34] and then they take the alcohol out of the wine at the end. So you get the same pretty much the same taste so you don't feel like you're drinking a vintage juice or anything like that. It feels drinking a wine.

[00:14:46] In fact last night I had a friend over and we were drinking a soap in your blog that been wine-mim, sorry, keep saying, why would we move? I'll call you a bit of a joke. And he loved it. He loved it. He drinks.

[00:14:58] And he was really happy to drink this wine with me and to be leading like fresh headed. And drive home. Yeah. I definitely found I became the cab, the cab driver. I was everybody's best friend for the cab. But it is, I think you're right.

[00:15:16] I think more and more people become more aware of their wellbeing and we becoming better educated aren't we? Well, you know, and that happened like you said with smoking. So you look at the programmes back in the 50s where it was quite cool to be smoking

[00:15:31] whereas now you just wouldn't expect that or agree with that at all. It's that movement isn't it? So I do agree with your friend, or the person in the bar in London saying that actually this movement has begun. And I don't know about you but you've seen it

[00:15:48] a lot more in younger people going. I think. And statistically that's what's coming through is the large majority drinkers are between sort of 40, 65 that kind of a range. Whereas younger people have got a different attitude on many levels and around drinking.

[00:16:07] Because they see it for what it is and they get in the education when they need it. Maybe we didn't get what we were growing up and you know, it was a very much more accepted acceptable thing. Yeah, the conditioning around it is huge

[00:16:20] that I'm quite confident about the movement and I think that there's, you know, a question. I think in the past you would have said all theisation shouldn't really get close to this but actually I think it's quite current now when I do think that in the workplace

[00:16:36] where companies have got more of a well-being strategy that why wouldn't you, you know, enable people to kind of open up their awareness to alcohol because it's such a damaging thing. There is no benefit to it at all. Not the single one. Yeah, and not the single one.

[00:16:58] And it gets in the way of performance absolutely. I think there's so much that can be done with organisations on this topic. You know, I've certainly my career started very much in hospitality and you know, there was absolutely zero alcohol free.

[00:17:18] It was, it was suffering or nothing to be in this year. And if you were going to go celebrate and you went to the pub, you got given a bottle of champagne. You know, there was no altar. It was that easy.

[00:17:32] That's what you're doing and actually I think organisations have got a huge responsibility to because people spend so much of the time of their life at work and you get influenced at work with your colleagues, appears and obviously beyond that. But I just think that you know,

[00:17:49] we've got to open the door open in the doors to so many other topics in society. Why not this one? Why not this one? Exactly. Exactly. I was quite proud actually. We had recently, we had our senior leaders come together

[00:18:03] and we do this kind of peer-to-peer recognition process and last time we did this, which was probably about 13 months ago. The prize was a bottle of champagne. Yes. And so after my recent blog, I did a blog I think on the first of January. I said to us,

[00:18:24] our chief people of Australia, this year it's not alcohol. We can't give alcohol with gifts because as to people's quarters are like, age is them, it inflames you so it's not a gift. That's not kind of anything somebody. We opted for an optifist and shopping

[00:18:41] vouchers and a little box of chocolates instead. That's absolutely quite proud of that decision and step change. It's the rituals, it's the power we give it and I think if we can slowly think about the power we give it and give it less power,

[00:19:00] I think that's going to help with some of the social conditioning as well. It is social conditioning. It's interesting because people say, oh, it's fine in moderation. Everything in moderation, but you wouldn't say that about smoking or drugs or you wouldn't say don't worry everything in moderation.

[00:19:18] You just wouldn't, whereas alcohol seems to be, oh, it's in moderation. It's not what does that actually mean? What does moderation mean? I remember seeing, I've read a few of the books, Jason Vale book, Annie, who's Annie, who's written it. Annie Grace, yeah, Annie Grace,

[00:19:37] great book on kind of, you know, not drinking. And it said, wandering can cause, well, it's actually a cool cause cancer. It can wander in, and I remember that sticking in my head and you know, a lot of people in my life who had cancer or experienced cancer.

[00:19:57] And the first thing we do is stop drinking and it's like actually, you know, that's actually the right thing to do, but what I'm suppose to have stopped before and you know what I mean from that, but it's, it's a fascinating topic and it is,

[00:20:13] it's an interesting one because I found that when I absolutely gave up for 40 months, you know, I definitely was looked down upon by a lot of people. Some people were really curious and they were like, I'm really envious of that. Whereas others were like, who kept insensible? Yeah,

[00:20:37] you do get that. I think it's changing. I feel like it's changed in the last six to not eight months. I do feel like people's attitudes are changing because of the advertising, the sponsoring of that. Yeah. It's almost becoming cool not to drink.

[00:20:53] It's pretty trendy to be sober. And so, so, something's driving a shift in attitude. But I remember when I first stopped, I remember they're being sort of moment of, it's almost like my friends having to mourn. Loonoring, getting more and, and I think things do change.

[00:21:13] You know, you do become, you just value different things over time. You value your health. I value my sleep. I value my diet. I like going out for nice dinners. You know? So there are changes in the habits I have with friends and things I do.

[00:21:27] And some of my friends, I haven't lost any friends because of it. But it is interesting how your social circle does evolve a little bit with it. Who's the people that you used to go out drinking with? You don't go out drinking with anymore.

[00:21:44] And you either carry on seeing them or you don't. It's just the way that that goes. But then new people come into life. And so, that's quite nice. Find your tribe. Don't you find your tribe in there? Yeah. So what would you recommend organisations do?

[00:21:58] I know you're thinking about what you can do for at restores. Because you could make that direct impact. And you've already started doing that with the kind of, let's not let this isn't a gift. Let's look at what we can give people as a gift.

[00:22:08] What do you think more and more organisations should be doing? So to help that cook, cause ultimately what we're talking about is a culture of well being. Yeah. I think it's about education. And I wonder if there's more. More to be done around doing cook,

[00:22:25] kind of dry jams or so, So Baroque Toby is one of the ideas I've had at restore to see. People who are curious, people who do want to kind of go through and experience as a collective.

[00:22:39] I wonder if there's a little bit more of that kind of activity that organisations could do. I think awareness and education is the key thing. And giving people sharing stories as well. So I know I'm starting to learn who in my organisation doesn't drink or has stopped.

[00:22:59] And there are people, so I'm curious about surfacing their stories and seeing if I can help create kind of a presence of an awareness about it in the workplace. I think is something that I always want to give people commission to go.

[00:23:15] You know what? I'm interested in that. Because they're walking, I think a lot of people are walking around, questioning their relationship without pay off. And it's just about giving space for that to come out. And that can only benefit organisations because people will be feeling better, thinking better.

[00:23:33] You know, the impact and performances is, I think. I really, I really feel the difference myself. Less tired, less irritable. I remember days after drinking even one drink or a few drinks. The next day, not being able to put a sentence together properly

[00:23:52] and really stumbling and really struggling, like complete brain fog. And just not having that. And I know people who've recently stopped or stopped over dry jam and remarked on how much clearer their brains are and how much better the thinking is the quality of thinking.

[00:24:09] So you think imagine that. Imagine if everybody increased their quality of thinking and they're overwhelming from not drinking. How could that impact performance? And happiness. And happiness. Because I'll call them cause a lot of arguments, can't say. You know, if you've seen it, I'm happy. Happy drunk actually.

[00:24:30] Are you really? Are you? So yeah, I told you earlier that I interviewed the CEO of Dry Drinker on the podcast. Because we used to work together in hospitality. And that was just expected. It was absolutely was just expected.

[00:24:51] And then he sort of realized actually I need to get fit for any of the health who's going to give up. And when we'd spoken, I think you've given up for nearly 10 years.

[00:25:00] And he said, you just take each day as it comes to one day at a time. One don't say self any big life goals, one at a time, and you're absolutely wake up and it's excellent reviews down the line. And you're going actually look at me now,

[00:25:13] let's compare that before and after in so many areas. I think it's a fabulous and fascinating topic that I do agree that I think more and more organisations are going to start waking up to this as there is really positive support area for teams and employees.

[00:25:32] So in terms of this then, in terms of you and at restore, obviously you're going to bring more awareness. You're going to think about how you can do things differently. You're finding out who kind of aspects who's in your non-drinking tribe.

[00:25:49] What other areas would you like to share today that are kind of going to make a difference for the listeners of what things they could do? So we've talked about raising awareness, educating people, doing more things like dry January. Stocktober.

[00:26:04] How more can we get it on that strategic agenda? I think somebody like you are perfectly placed to get this out more and more, because this could be a real well-being movement, couldn't it, Louisa at the end of the day?

[00:26:21] Yeah, I think it's, I'm excited about it, you're next. And I think it's a long time coming because it's, you know, like heart disease is the biggest number one killer around the world. And alcohol is a massive contributor to that along with smoking and sugar.

[00:26:42] So this is really big, this is really really big. So as I'm listening to you play that back to me in a sort of coaching way I feel. I think we're thinking, what else can I do?

[00:26:56] I think that, I mean one of the things I've always been interested in doing is actually doing like could you do sort of an A.B. test with this?

[00:27:06] Could you have two teams that you could ask one team to not drink for a period of time to do some sort of checking and measurement beforehand? And then see what the impact is on like say happiness and performance?

[00:27:22] That would be one thing that I would love to do. I feel like in a coach who, yeah, I might need to hold you to a counterback because that's something fabulous. I would love to see people, self-nominating a little bit wouldn't you? Yeah, yeah, you don't do.

[00:27:39] You'd have to get people sort of put the hand up going actually, yeah, quite intrigued by that and then measure the difference. And I think with all of this stuff, I think it is, this is a nice stuff and you can't make people come to this.

[00:27:54] But I think you can put it on and people who are interested will come and it will be supportive for those who are interested. And I think that there's probably more people curious than I think there's more people that are curious. Yeah, no, I agree.

[00:28:10] And it's interesting because I think once people start getting some more facts, so if you think about like you said about cigarettes, you know,

[00:28:19] I grew up in a house where, you know, my mom smoked and, you know, I used to love the smell and it was killing her. So obviously I ended up absolutely hating anything to do with it.

[00:28:32] But if I didn't know when I was growing up that the pictures on cigarette packets these days now, I mean,

[00:28:41] I mean, like what look, look, this is your opening this packet. Look at that person, wow, that's you are committed because it's having that level of education and knowledge isn't it?

[00:28:55] So I think it's a lot less smokers now because of the health and well being surely would be the same as soon as you got some hard hitting facts. You just know, yeah, I think it is education, it always comes back to education isn't it?

[00:29:12] And they're saying now there's the recent latest out of Canada, we're saying that there is no safe amount. So that's quite hard hitting when, you know, previously there were like, oh, you know, X amount of glasses of wine a week and so okay.

[00:29:27] Now it's now new evidence, new research is showing that it has got stronger links to breast cancer, stronger links to cancer. The call to so point, I mean, I just thought that's incredible.

[00:29:41] I'm men of course, I've looked into a lot of it for men of course. It's like literally I remember watching the divina program and they talk about, you know, the breast cancer link to men of course and don't go on HRT actually wasn't it wasn't

[00:29:55] HRT it was our call. It was like that the percentage link to HRT was very, very low, once you took our call away. It HRT became fine, it was actually the alcohol that made the difference in terms of percentages of numbers of people who had got breast cancer.

[00:30:15] And that was I remember seeing a ball pit doing the sort of this percentage this percentage and explaining it and I remember thinking it was a fascinating statistic. I think I think of the body at a time that's already challenging going through yeah going to change.

[00:30:31] I think if you sort of was to advertise alcohol today, you'd say, well it will give you by this drain, you've spend X amount on it, it comes in an ice-pancy bottle and it will give you 20 minutes of lack of it at the hit.

[00:30:47] And then after that you're wanting to drink more and more of it to get that same hit, but you won't get the same hit. But what you will get is your fill get for the head in the morning you're not sleep properly, you're probably wake up in the middle of night, do your draighted you might not get back to sleep.

[00:31:01] And the next day you might find it hard to make some decisions and you know so you just wouldn't people wouldn't if it was being advertised today. But to you thinking about the purpose of yours, can I do that for the joke it's guys and it.

[00:31:17] Yeah yeah so yeah I'm excited about I'm excited about it and excited about what I can bring and how I can help the movement definitely.

[00:31:30] I think that's fabulous, really, really fabulous. And I know you did a post on LinkedIn that got a lot of interest in it and kind of really got people thinking and and I see more and more people who I consider hugely successful.

[00:31:43] And one of their secret sources of success is they don't drink literally. I do this and you're like wow they're super human what is it and you're like oh I'm not so interested.

[00:31:54] But this is a lot of going to go time with the friends, you know, of course they are because it's not about what's in the glass. So one of the things. Oh, so go for it. Go for it. Go please.

[00:32:06] No one of the things that I did which is, I don't know if anyone listening might be a bit out there but there's a thing called five for them and it's like a dance event.

[00:32:18] There's all around the country and it's on for about two hours at different times you can look it up. And the idea is, is that you go so I go to the forest road one occasionally and you go when you dance.

[00:32:31] Someone playing music, you dance is no alcohol there. It's just people dancing and I'll let's take your phone, put your cameras, no one's taking pictures. You can just go and dance to different types of music and you just move your body for a couple of hours.

[00:32:43] At the start of my sobriety the last time, I went to that twice and that really helped me because I just realized I don't need to, I don't need alcohol to dance.

[00:32:54] And it was such a, it was such a turning point for me for confidence for going out and then I've since gone out of gone to weddings, I've gone to parties. I'll have a little flat, I say, I don't want to dance. I don't want to dance.

[00:33:11] Yeah yeah and then that's me done. So I think that once you kind of push your own boundaries and you realise that you can do it, it just makes it make it a lot easier to carry on with the ritual but just not with the ingredient.

[00:33:28] So that isn't it. I could do all that just for that. What's in the glass? Yeah, we did it there at Valentine's it was like, you know, my whole week's version pain and I was like, no, no second or so it's a rosé once.

[00:33:42] It's a get in the champagne glass then we go, I love a clear, had some more own of this really enjoyed the evening.

[00:33:49] It's it's I think alcohol free selection really helps people into because you get that becomes a habit and then that stops becoming the habits, but it's got not that now I'll call in so no that's that's great.

[00:34:03] So if there was one small thing that you would advise organizations to consider for their well being strategy, you know what I would say the smaller thing that could make the biggest impact right now tomorrow, what would it be?

[00:34:17] I would say, and I keep wanting to do it every year and it's not quite happened but I'd even say just organize a group like you see if you want to organize a group stop to by this year.

[00:34:30] So if we get a group of people who want to do it and create the space for them to go through the journey together, create a community could be once more thing you could do as part of your well being agenda.

[00:34:46] Yeah, find people in your business who don't drink, you want to share their story. You're really simple one yeah mate and that's with anything isn't it?

[00:34:56] Find the people who were the champions of something and get them to spread the good word go somebody said it's maybe the day on a podcast kind of go where the sunshine already is. And it's kind of as spread it further it's that isn't it.

[00:35:10] Oh, thank you Louise I honestly it's a fabulous topic and a fascinating topic and I hope people haven't listened to us both kind of talking about this thinking anything other than actually.

[00:35:21] This this is peaking my interest here I might need to also think about my relationship because it's definitely know. I'm not really a preachiness about that this is actually if you just knew a few other things this could really make a difference to your whole life.

[00:35:37] Yeah, that can only be a good thing no whenever regrets something and so exactly that. 100% and and I regret starting again to then stop again, but I think often people do go on that journey as well. Yeah and then you got it's a very new one thing.

[00:35:54] It's not a journey. It is part of the journey but it's everybody's individual journeys and I think once she gets that realization and actually yeah, I'm not doing that again this is this is it I think that's that's really brilliant.

[00:36:08] Well, thank you so much for joining us today Louise I really enjoyed your company as always I think you've got an amazing topic to talk about and a really positive story to share and can really make a difference and this movement I think it's so important.

[00:36:23] It's fundamentally, you know, this is about well, we and this is about people's health this is about self care this is about eliminating some of the things that actually couldn't be done cause in the problems yeah without realizing it without realizing it's often masking or the other challenges and actually when you've got a clear head you brain starts thanking you for it no end and you skin and it else.

[00:36:47] Thank you again Louise, for joining us today really thank you. Everybody should listen to today please do tune into some more coaching culture podcast where you'll hear more fabulous guests just like the weases today. Thank you.